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there's a whole fleet of look on the

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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dave had a question on what you were

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talking about around the roswell dna and

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his question was can you speak about the

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implications with regard to hybrid dna

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especially concerning any similarities

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between human dna and the dna of the

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roswell craft occupants which you've

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touched on what are those implications

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that we have a similar dna to species

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that are potentially non-human

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that's something that i'm still

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investigating on my own because it's one

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of the dots that

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uh is very hard to connect

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so i i draw a dashed line instead of a

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solid line to that dot it's a dashed

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and so i was brought up

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in the christian tradition

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uh catholic

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and of course in genesis there's the

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story of the creation

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in fact if you look at other texts there

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are creation stories in those texts of

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other belief systems

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what they have in common tends to be

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toward someone of a lesser advanced

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being let's say us

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and that they imparted

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their image upon us

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so if you look at genesis

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it says let us let us plural make

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man in our image

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what does that mean

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um before the discovery of dna which by

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dna was discovered in the mid-1800s

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the fact that we could like sequence it

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and know the structure of the dna

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occurred much later in the 50s and later

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sequencing in the 90s but going back to

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genesis all through

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the history of

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the christian religion

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we took it on faith that a god a being

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a divine being

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did something

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deliberately to create us

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so people believe that and won't

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question it

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yeah but when you say

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that being might have been

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a non-human intelligence

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and they may have found us

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and enhanced us to be who we are to be

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like them

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uh they question that

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say that's nonsense but religions are

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all have creation stories

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truth behind genesis might have been

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but it's told as an allegory

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over the time it's like oral history

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that told about a similar creation story

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so it's that's the establishment

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it's the labels that are put on these

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things isn't it that you can they're

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interchangeable you can take off one and

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and it's the same story throughout

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throughout many many religions so yeah i

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why i always say this why are we more

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advanced than the other primates when

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and if you don't believe in genesis if

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you want to take a completely scientific

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secular view

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uh you might believe that you know it's

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that is what they discovered

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cia had a document about cia's

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and in seven years there was roswell the

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air force had a plan to disclose

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something about roswell when this alien

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dna was found in the human genome that

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stopped it because now it's not just

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about the craft and beings it's about

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who was in that craft

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and that's a conversation that we still

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since the release of the tic-tac videos

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in 2017 where finally government says

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yeah there's something in our sky is

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flying that we can't explain

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the next thing they need to explain is

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who's flying it or from where are they

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flown from somewhere else some other

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who's behind that craft

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who are these people who are they where

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why are they interacting with us

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along those lines that we have a

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think some people in the us government

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apparatus truly know what uap are

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they have more data than that what then

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we have a lot more

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i do believe that there's a lot more

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but they need to schedule

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they need to talk about the uaps

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the uaps came from

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and who's flying them

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but to get to there

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it's a long road ahead

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so every 180 days uh starting this june

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to september of 2026 every 180 days

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twice a year we're going to get more and

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jordan wants to know there is some

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evidence to suggest uap have

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characteristics of plasma what are your

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uh that caused this effect to occur

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physicist scientist i'm very much

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nothing of anything but you have an

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understanding of how these things might

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work in your own head and for me you

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talk about plasma you maybe think of

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orbs and objects being made of materials

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that wouldn't necessarily create a craft

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of materials like potentially plasma or

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light what would the purpose of that be

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suggest they're sentient themselves

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it's not a craft of plasma but plasma

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generates plasma not made of plasma

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about something called plasma stealth

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plasma stealth generators

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something you can attach on an aircraft

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wavelengths of radar

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plasma generator and we went with just

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just making pla a faceted aircraft is a

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lot easier to do the russians thought

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that no that's too hard to do let's just

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do the plasma stealth generator because

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plasma stealth we can attach generators

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again the plasma

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is not

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the mig-31 or mig-29

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the mig-29 mig-31

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they are the mig-29 and mig-31 but with

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the plasma stealth generator

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um

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to our sensors it looks like

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plasma cloud and then

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uh two radar sensors uh will be

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difficult to detect on radar

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sure thanks for clearing that up um the

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next part again you say you're not a

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physicist necessarily but jordan wants

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to know is there evidence to suggest

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that the hitchhiker effect is related to

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i don't know um

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boy that's a good question for a real

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physicist

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i i have not

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resolved in my head

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what causes the hitchhiker effect

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other than it has something to do with

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the initial exposure

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and

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i cannot explain

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how you can go to skinwalker ranch in

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utah

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and bring that effect back home to

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washington dc

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as was uh described

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in the

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skinwalkers of the pentagon book i don't

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it's i think it's a very intriguing and

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incredible part of the phenomenon but as

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you say it's one of the lesser

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understood lesser less unknown aspects

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and i think given the the personal

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nature of it as well it really is up to

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the individual to come out and and tell

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their story and and again that that

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relies on evidence or lack thereof

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doesn't it um george that himself shared

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on on my podcast his own experience to

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an extent and he mentioned his wife was

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part of that but obviously for those

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reasons

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they stopped short of going into detail

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because it affects someone else like his

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wife and you can appreciate that that

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relationship yeah

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um next questions from ash who ran the

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ufo minicon last year and preston

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attended that was a lot of fun um ash

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says in your recent presentation you

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gave on the project unity youtube

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channel you mentioned the importance of

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the raf flying dales radar

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in the uk and they can see a kind of

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coke three thousand miles away

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are you aware are able to comment on any

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other uk based infrastructure or bases

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that are also worthy of closer scrutiny

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when it comes to their potential

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involvement with the uap topic

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well i know that the pave paul's radar

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has

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detected

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and i know that the

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filing dale's radar

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is of a similar model to the u.s pave

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paul's radar

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so that's the association between the

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two

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i don't know if there's anything that

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the

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ministry of defense might have

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that's a good question for

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baroness goldie

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she might know

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but i don't i don't know what else the

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uk might have

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uh that can detect craft at long ranges

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like that especially over the poles over

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the arctic circle

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in your opinion john let me ask on that

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from from a uk point of view why do you

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think as someone who's clearly not from

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the uk

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don't seem to have anywhere near the

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interest that the united states has in

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the subject and topic

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so they say

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well

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so they say so i think in the u.s

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because roswell was a

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an american incident

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happening on u.s soil and because the

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original arnold siting

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was in u.s airspace

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taken a greater interest in it

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but other countries have also

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had

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these types of

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encounters

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but i think in the uk i don't know why

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they do not

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want to talk about it they kind of

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dismiss it

404
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maybe they're just following our lead

405
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and waiting to see what we do

406
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i find that very interesting that there

407
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isn't a more open dialogue

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by the uk government on this phenomena

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having said that i have interfaced in my

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career

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with ministry of defense analysts who

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are also studying

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not uaps or anything like that but

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studying the same radars that i studied

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that have the capability of detecting

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uaps but that's never

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that has never come up in our

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conversations

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at all back then

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hopefully something that changes in the

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in the coming months let alone years and

422
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from a uk point of view

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yes

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hopefully something me and my colleagues

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as part of uap media if people in the uk

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want to check up on that and help with

427
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,680
it if you're a uk citizen then certainly

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you don't have a freedom of information

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act in the uk that i know of there's no

430
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foia process

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00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,639
is that true or not true i don't know

432
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and also you have something called the

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official secrets act which you don't

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have

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and um i'm i was concerned that um

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that minister patel

437
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wanted to

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extend the official secrets act on

439
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,679
journalists i read that

440
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,760
in the press and i think that's

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a disaster speaking as an american

442
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,520
citizen i take

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our first amendment sometimes we take it

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for granted but we're we you know not

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everybody has the 10 10 bill of rights

446
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that we do

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and so uh something like the official

448
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secrets act would be disastrous for the

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us

450
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now we'll say this though

451
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recently well not recently but within

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the last

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over a decade

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there's a new classification

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that the government conjured up

456
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and it's called um

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controlled

458
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unclassified

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information

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cui

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so it's unclassified information

462
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but the government

463
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the us government would want to control

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that information now how what's the

465
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justification for controlling something

466
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that's unclassified

467
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unless you take that piece of

468
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unclassified information and you take

469
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another piece of unclassified

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information and others and all of a

471
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sudden you get a complete story that

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might be classified

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and so that's the closest thing to an

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official secrets act that we have

475
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that they're trying to control the flow

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of unclassified information

477
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and i think it's a

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i think it's an abridgement on our our

479
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,080
civil liberties actually

480
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yeah it's an interest for us it's

481
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interesting you see that that putting

482
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together that jigsaw would would give

483
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,640
you a complete picture that could be

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classified you may hear of an example of

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an event that happened in a place

486
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and then separately there may be a video

487
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where you don't know where the video is

488
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,440
from and then there could be

489
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,240
corroborating sources and stories but

490
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,000
actually what you find out is the people

491
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filming that video should not have been

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in the place they were so you can't put

493
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that information together to give that

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00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,200
complete story because then that becomes

495
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classified yeah

496
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,799
yeah exactly yes

497
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and all right yeah i just um no go on

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it's it's very difficult to do foias

499
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because of that

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um

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but

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shouldn't discourage people from doing

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so

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um

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one thing that doesn't work is

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bombarding

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the same agency with one foa after the

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other

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um

510
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and so i i was trying to help people do

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foias

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but um

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there's no timetable when they respond

514
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,400
yeah so if you mention something that

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00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:00,080
you've experienced that's unclassified

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because you personally experienced and

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00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,320
you saw

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00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,960
some craft up in your sky at a certain

519
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,880
location a certain date and time

520
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,320
if that craft

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matches a data point in the uap task

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force report

523
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uh you might not hear from them at all

524
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,159
yeah

525
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,919
i think john greenwald obviously the

526
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,559
world's most famous foia activist um

527
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,280
recently had a request of has sent back

528
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after years of waiting on i think he

529
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forgot he'd sent it to be honest so yeah

530
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,120
but again john does a lot of good work

531
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,440
in that field and others should do too

532
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,679
next question john brian wants to know

533
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,760
you mentioned that someone in the cia

534
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:37,919
felt the mcminnville ufo photos were

535
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,559
legitimate pictures of a ufo

536
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:42,640
why did they feel so certain and is

537
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,480
there data on that case that the public

538
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,120
do not have access to you are aware of

539
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,679
again it's this exact same meeting where

540
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,600
i heard about alien dna

541
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,840
and the discussion on the mcminnville

542
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,679
ufo

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00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:57,039
preceded

544
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:00,840
the alien dna discussion by the

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briefer and they didn't present any

546
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,840
evidence that cia had

547
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:10,799
but they did say that this is a real ufo

548
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,640
that has not been debunked

549
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,480
and they pointed out

550
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,120
this briefer pointed out remember that

551
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,360
the u2 aircraft

552
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,679
flew in 1955

553
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,600
the very first flight

554
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,840
was 1955.

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we didn't have

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00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,840
anything like mcmenville flying at the

557
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,440
time

558
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,320
we had fixed wing aircraft

559
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,720
flying at the time

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so

561
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that's all i can say again it's another

562
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,600
instance where they told me things with

563
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,799
no evidence

564
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:48,640
because of

565
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,840
the stature of the briefer i took it on

566
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,320
face value

567
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,720
and stored it away in my head all these

568
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,760
years

569
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,080
until just recently i started talking

570
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,039
about it thanks to the fact that

571
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,400
as of december 2017

572
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,400
we can have a more open discussion about

573
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,039
this a lot of things uh were no longer

574
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,200
classified that may have been classified

575
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,120
so i put that in there

576
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,679
in my slide thinking okay

577
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,919
if this is classified

578
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,720
redacted it didn't get redacted

579
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,440
i would say this though prior to

580
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,000
me presenting those slides i wrote to

581
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,559
cia telling them i'm going to present

582
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:31,600
slides

583
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:36,880
alien dna and i told them the names of

584
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,480
the officers that were there

585
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,080
and right there they could have come

586
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,720
back to me in an email prior to me

587
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:46,400
submitting the slide saying oh you can't

588
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:47,600
say that

589
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,640
it's classified and what they said was

590
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,080
we're very interested in senior

591
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,679
slideshow

592
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,840
send it to us and and we'll get it back

593
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,280
to you oh by the way how fast do you

594
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,990
and that's that's been a benefit to us

595
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,200
having you having you have these

596
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:04,640
conversations because people want to

597
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,600
hear it

598
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,440
something that's been said by a few

599
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,000
people recently uh frank melbourne dr

600
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,799
michael masters uh ross coulthart and

601
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,280
yourself there's been a a chatter and

602
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,280
one of the buzz buzz terms in the last

603
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,600
few months in the world of ufos has been

604
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,840
future cataclysms

605
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,840
ian had the question that you've spoken

606
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,000
about messages from beings is this

607
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,600
something that has ever been discussed

608
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,679
or imparted to you information about

609
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,840
potential future cataclysms not

610
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:33,200
officially

611
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:34,840
no one from the u.s

612
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,679
government has informed me that there is

613
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,159
a future cataclysm happening

614
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,799
so i don't know what sources they

615
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,960
receive that information from

616
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:47,279
my source was again

617
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,159
through

618
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:49,679
deep meditation

619
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:52,960
that something is going to occur

620
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,480
if it's a catechism or not i don't know

621
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,120
i'm hoping it's not something that

622
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,760
can be an existential threat existential

623
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,760
threat to our existence you know i i

624
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,880
don't want that

625
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,440
but if it's something that requires

626
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:08,880
an intervention

627
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,080
by these beings for the earth's benefit

628
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,480
uh i welcome that

629
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,480
but that's not gonna happen

630
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,600
unless

631
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,279
the government and other governments

632
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:22,720
acknowledge the presence of these beings

633
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,360
so again that's a lot of dots out there

634
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,360
with a lot of dashed lines

635
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,279
and some of them are very very faint

636
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:30,799
dashed lines

637
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,600
but

638
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,480
one must think about why now

639
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,440
why

640
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,159
has there been such a push

641
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,840
by the government

642
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,000
to release information

643
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,120
at the speed of government which

644
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,840
is like real slow but it's still

645
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:49,200
happening

646
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,320
so

647
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:51,919
three videos were released by the

648
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,400
pentagon

649
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,240
and then we have

650
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:58,880
a flurry of people coming forward

651
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:01,919
like jim semivam from cia

652
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,799
myself and others

653
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,039
who've come forward

654
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,720
and talked about this entire subject

655
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,600
matter where like 10 years ago

656
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,760
that wouldn't have happened at all

657
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,000
so something is accelerating

658
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,240
the narrative to where

659
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:20,320
even april haynes the dni the sitting

660
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,679
dni use the word extraterrestrially

661
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,080
so why is this happening why why is

662
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,159
there an ndaa

663
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,720
by a senator who sits on the senate

664
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,640
armed services committee

665
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,039
who may have been briefed

666
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,600
at a much deeper and higher level than

667
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,279
any of us

668
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,840
why is that provision in there in the

669
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,880
ndaa so i'm just putting a lot of dots

670
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,200
out there and just drawing very very

671
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,720
faint lines

672
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:51,200
that someone knows something but i

673
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,640
personally i've never been told anything

674
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,480
from officially from the government

675
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,480
no of course let me put on my skeptics

676
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,760
hat for a minute which i'll wear from

677
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,080
time to time um just for the purposes of

678
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:05,360
trying to be a balanced interviewer um

679
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,400
if

680
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,320
and in the current climate we live in

681
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,679
drones are not only commercial

682
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,520
but they are incredible what they can

683
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,120
and they can do as you go up the price

684
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,640
ranges and no doubt the militaries

685
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,880
around the world especially russia china

686
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:21,840
and the us have some pretty incredible

687
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,600
drone technology that would be

688
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,039
mind-blowing

689
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,919
is there a chance that a lot of

690
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,400
what is happening with this ndaa while

691
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,159
under the guise of uap

692
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,120
is because of potentially unknown drone

693
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,600
threats from from other superpowers

694
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,120
where do you think the likelihood is

695
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,080
that again you mentioned those 144 cases

696
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,159
earlier one was a balloon three videos

697
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,799
140 cases still unexplained

698
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,640
is there a chance that a large number of

699
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,120
those are just unknown drone

700
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,840
technologies

701
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:55,039
without

702
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,880
more amplifying data on what those 140

703
00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,400
vehicles did

704
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,440
it's

705
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,600
hard to answer that question

706
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,840
did they exhibit the five observables i

707
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,679
mean they didn't even address the five

708
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,080
observables in the

709
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,840
preliminary assessment released by the

710
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,279
dni

711
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,520
that's why i want more information about

712
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,039
what they saw

713
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,279
you don't have to tell me

714
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,960
how we got the information you don't

715
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,320
have to reveal

716
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,240
some super secret sensor that was able

717
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,840
to detect these things i don't want to

718
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,159
know that i just want to know

719
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,120
why were the 140 of interest

720
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,760
and were they just 140 or were they more

721
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,480
than 140 this is just a subset of what

722
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,240
you really know

723
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,679
as far as

724
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,880
looking at other countries capabilities

725
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,440
we have a fairly robust the u.s

726
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:46,559
government

727
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,799
the five eyes

728
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,799
all of our governments have a fairly

729
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,960
robust intelligence collection

730
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,559
capability

731
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,039
across a full range of sensors where we

732
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,399
say dc to daylight and beyond

733
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,120
we cover acoustic under the water to

734
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,360
like ultraviolet

735
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,840
and these sensors are very very good

736
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,440
and

737
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,600
we would know

738
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,919
including our technical sensors and i

739
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,320
would say including

740
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,440
sensitive

741
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,080
and perishable

742
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:23,840
human sources

743
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,279
these are people who give us information

744
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,520
illegally in their government to where

745
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,279
if they were found to be given us

746
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:33,919
information they would be executed those

747
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,310
we would know

748
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,960
what the nature of these uaps might be

749
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,559
if there were drones they would say

750
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,640
we're working on drone technology

751
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,640
now can i just ask yes can i just ask

752
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,080
sorry john i

753
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,679
famously never interrupt but i just want

754
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,240
to get your opinion on this now

755
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,799
very recently there was a rocket that

756
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,559
the chinese had launched that fell from

757
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,039
space and basically landed on a road in

758
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,840
rural china and chris mellon himself

759
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,760
pointed to this as a reason that the

760
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,840
chinese do not have the advanced

761
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,480
capabilities that some of these uap are

762
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,000
displaying and that's why you can

763
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:13,120
discount china and russia but then mere

764
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,399
weeks later

765
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,799
on the news it was confirmed that china

766
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,720
had flown a hypersonic missile around

767
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,360
the earth and from the sources within

768
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,919
those articles it seems the us had no

769
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,480
idea this had happened and i found that

770
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,320
a really interesting correlation that

771
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,240
chris mellon on one hand

772
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:32,080
very intelligent man very much in the

773
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,360
know

774
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,000
was downplaying china's capabilities but

775
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,480
then in a few weeks time the us had no

776
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,399
idea a hypersonic missile that china had

777
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,039
developed had flew around the earth what

778
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,919
would you say to that

779
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:48,320
that could have happened

780
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:52,480
to detect

781
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:53,520
many

782
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:57,919
research and development projects of a

783
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,000
weapons nature both in russia and china

784
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,840
we have that capability

785
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,200
to say that

786
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,360
we didn't know something happened

787
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,320
is i would say disingenuous

788
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,320
as to our real capabilities and maybe

789
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:13,679
they say that

790
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,840
sources and methods

791
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,799
sure

792
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,480
but

793
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,880
it's no secret that we can collect

794
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,360
signals intelligence we can connect

795
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,679
collect communications intelligence

796
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:29,840
imagery intelligence

797
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:32,880
signature intelligence and the ir range

798
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:36,080
uh this entire earth is blanketed

799
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,440
by

800
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,600
5i sensors

801
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:42,000
and in fact in your own country

802
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,360
and minworth hill

803
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:45,600
is one of the huge mission ground

804
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:48,559
stations associated with the nro

805
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,159
nsa is the u.s partner with

806
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,000
gchq

807
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,640
at minworth hill

808
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,120
and so there's a huge capability there

809
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,039
looking over

810
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,760
the russian land mass

811
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,760
and then there's another huge capability

812
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,480
in ross's home country of australia

813
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,799
and everyone knows pine gap

814
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,039
and they're looking at

815
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,880
that part of the world

816
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,320
detecting

817
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,080
what the chinese might be up to in that

818
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,960
part of the world and we have a really

819
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,720
strong knowledge

820
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,440
of

821
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,600
foreign weapons capabilities

822
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,159
we spend billions and billions of

823
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,360
dollars for that and to tell me that

824
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,200
a country did something that we didn't

825
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,880
detect

826
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,720
i don't believe it in a heartbeat

827
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,640
because i've known other things that

828
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,799
we've detected that have never appeared

829
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,080
in the press

830
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,799
never and that we were on top of it

831
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:47,120
to the point that when we gathered this

832
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,720
information and we had strategic arms

833
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,640
talks with the russians

834
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,559
we presented that evidence to the

835
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:57,039
russians we know what you did quit lying

836
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,480
to us

837
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,880
they looked at the data and they knew

838
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,880
that we had them

839
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,320
we actually revealed to them to the

840
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,559
point where okay you got us uh we'll

841
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,919
exchange data

842
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:08,720
uh

843
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,080
so russian technicians came to cia

844
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,320
and help us set up their lab equipment

845
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,399
so that we can look at their data and

846
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,320
our technicians went to the russian lab

847
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,080
our counterparts so that they can look

848
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,159
at our data

849
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,720
and we inspect each other and we have

850
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,200
like ability to once in a while we open

851
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,760
up the silo so you they can count silos

852
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,519
you can count our missiles in the silos

853
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,399
we'll open it up here look count

854
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,799
on ground inspections as well

855
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,440
uh when i was at cia we actually sent a

856
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,159
delegation of our officers to russia to

857
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,000
look at their

858
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,240
ballistic missile defense radars the

859
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,399
radars that we study

860
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,799
we looked at they came and

861
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,399
i hear

862
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,240
and maybe it's an open source now that

863
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:56,559
actually we escorted them into

864
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,440
uh

865
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,240
the cheyenne mountain

866
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:01,600
norad

867
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,720
russian officers now think about that

868
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,960
that's how close we are and again i told

869
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,440
in my slide presentation another slide i

870
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,279
thought would be redacted

871
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,640
was the fact that cia and the

872
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,279
technical officers our counterparts and

873
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,919
the people's liberation army worked side

874
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,760
by side

875
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,600
we shared our technology with the

876
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,519
chinese

877
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,440
side by side

878
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,640
that was not

879
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,200
widely known at one time but now i can

880
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,679
talk about it it didn't get redacted

881
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,159
um so i don't buy that we don't know

882
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,039
what's going on at all

883
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,799
no thanks for that that's a good answer

884
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,880
i like that and i i don't doubt that the

885
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,120
us would downplay oh we didn't know that

886
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,799
had happened when they clearly did

887
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,720
because like you say it gives away

888
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:51,039
certain intelligence sources as well

889
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,720
which is incredibly important and

890
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,000
sensitive

891
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,919
bob's wants to know would you consider

892
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,080
joining an organization like the galileo

893
00:34:01,029 --> 00:34:00,240
project if you were invited

894
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,039
no

895
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,600
because i don't want this to be a job

896
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,240
okay uh this already feels like a job

897
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,800
and uh when i retired i was hoping to

898
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,639
retire comfortably

899
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,399
and quietly

900
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,960
and that no one know who i am uh that's

901
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,040
ideal and i hope to get back to that i

902
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,359
don't know if that genie can be placed

903
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,359
back into that bottle

904
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,560
but

905
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,639
no i would not i think there's a place

906
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,280
in the galileo project for those who are

907
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,679
scientists

908
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,359
i'm not a scientist

909
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,200
in that sense i'm not a physicist you

910
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,440
need a physicist you need

911
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,000
those types of skills

912
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,240
and the only skill i bring is signals

913
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,599
analysis

914
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,000
i can take a microwave receiver hook up

915
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,760
some equipment and antenna with an

916
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,000
oscilloscope and i can analyze radar

917
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,919
signals and tell you the performance of

918
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,760
that radar

919
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,200
that's what i know and i don't know if

920
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,919
they need that type of skill at all so i

921
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,680
really don't want to do this as a job i

922
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,200
look forward to the time where i'm not

923
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,960
doing this anymore because i don't need

924
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,359
to because the government told us what

925
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,200
we need to know

926
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,720
no i appreciate that

927
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,800
stacy wants to know you mentioned on a

928
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,800
podcast that certain bloodlines are

929
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,320
tracked i think you touched on us a

930
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,240
little bit earlier why do you think

931
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,119
bloodlines are tracked and by whom

932
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,119
um

933
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:21,359
why are they tracked

934
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,069
certain bloodlines or certain families

935
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:30,720
had alien dna

936
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,000
that was more enhanced than other humans

937
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,599
that's the explanation given to me

938
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:38,560
evidence

939
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:41,839
zero so you can completely disbelieve

940
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,630
that opens up an interesting question

941
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,560
because

942
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,440
now we have 23 and me and all these

943
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:56,720
other

944
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:00,400
services that all of us can use

945
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,190
and i have not done that myself i have

946
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,880
not gone to any of these services i'm

947
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,480
investigating one

948
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,480
that is quite more expensive than

949
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,839
23andme

950
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,320
that gets more into the mitochondrial

951
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,760
dna

952
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,000
and does the full sequencing

953
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,640
it's very expensive to to do a hundred

954
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,400
percent in depth

955
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,560
with a huge amount of accuracy it costs

956
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,960
a thousand dollars

957
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,119
uh what i'm looking at is the moderate

958
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:34,000
price 300 one

959
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,280
it gives you

960
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,280
a lot of information of the over the

961
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:39,359
full genomic sequence

962
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,310
so what would someone like yourself do

963
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,320
with that if you managed if you had the

964
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,400
spare thousand dollars lying about to

965
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,200
spend on a an expensive sequencing kit

966
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:55,280
like that what would those results show

967
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:56,079
you

968
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:57,200
i don't know what it would show me

969
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:58,320
that's why i'm curious and i wouldn't

970
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,079
spend a thousand maybe 300 i can spare

971
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,000
that's one of those expenses that the

972
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,119
chief financial officer of my household

973
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,000
my wife will have to approve

974
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,079
and we're talking about

975
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,160
300 times two because i'm sure she would

976
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:15,920
want to know as well

977
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,640
right

978
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,200
so i'm not prepared to spend that yet

979
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:21,680
and i'm still investigating as to what

980
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:24,160
this company provides and how is it

981
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,990
i appreciate that and i think as someone

982
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:32,160
who's an experiencer like yourself

983
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,280
there's a lot of people who would be

984
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,359
interested to see those kind of results

985
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,760
and potentially some sort of comparison

986
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,160
again with other experiencers so

987
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,680
that would be an interesting one to

988
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,280
follow up down the line maybe some sort

989
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,920
of crowdfunding or gofundme john would

990
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:48,480
help with that one for the for the kids

991
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,359
um

992
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,760
benji wants to know uh and i'm gonna

993
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,000
hopefully pronounce these properly

994
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,839
you've mentioned previously an ancient

995
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,400
hebrew symbol called a merkabah what

996
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,320
some call a light body

997
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,160
what do you think or know about the work

998
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,200
of authors like drunvalo milkshadeck and

999
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,440
maurinson germain and have you yourself

1000
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,200
found any methods that help you open

1001
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,200
your merkaba

1002
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,800
um

1003
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,720
first of all uh i learned about

1004
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,960
dreamville makisa deck

1005
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,839
just through reading about

1006
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,839
those who've

1007
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,240
practiced meditation and had meditation

1008
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,680
modalities

1009
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,240
and then i met a woman who studied under

1010
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,000
um a kisa deck

1011
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:33,359
and uh she taught me

1012
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,240
um

1013
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,440
her variation of mckesidex modality and

1014
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,720
she herself

1015
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,359
has studied at various

1016
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,880
locations on how to meditate

1017
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,280
more meaningfully

1018
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,520
and more mindfully

1019
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,400
so that's the context

1020
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,680
i know that

1021
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,320
this is saint germain it was a student

1022
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,760
of makisa deck i don't i'm not sure

1023
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,280
but i've not

1024
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,800
uh in any way really explored in depth

1025
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,640
i just came upon

1026
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,040
the uh quote

1027
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,800
from the book

1028
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:13,280
living in the heart by mikiza deck

1029
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:14,800
about this

1030
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,240
encounter with a u.s air force major

1031
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,599
telling him

1032
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,079
that the air force can see the the

1033
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,000
merkaba fields

1034
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,000
from space

1035
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,800
and i found that to be very interesting

1036
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,560
so

1037
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:33,359
take that for what it's worth um

1038
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,640
i think it

1039
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,160
merits like

1040
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:38,240
people finding nikiza deck and asking

1041
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,280
him

1042
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,040
more about that because it was just in

1043
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:43,119
passing it was in over two pages in that

1044
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,560
book where you talked about the air

1045
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,560
force interest in it

1046
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,870
i personally have not read

1047
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,640
any mckesidex book

1048
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,400
i'll say that i'll admit that i have not

1049
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,800
read it i'm the worst read

1050
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,359
person in ufology i

1051
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,920
read the classic books by jim mars

1052
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,319
by stanton freeman uh

1053
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,400
at all all of those

1054
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,680
but i've not

1055
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,920
really read the recent literature

1056
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,400
uh and i'm just doing so now

1057
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,200
so yeah whitley i read your book

1058
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,280
and yes jim mars who's passed away and

1059
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,880
and stanton freeman's passed away i read

1060
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,359
their books and others uh um

1061
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,720
richard dolan

1062
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,280
uh i read uh in fact i met him when he

1063
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,839
was just starting out 2004

1064
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,560
when his uh

1065
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,400
book about the national security state

1066
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,800
was basically too

1067
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,359
loosely bound

1068
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,839
pieces of paper with notes and i had him

1069
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,680
sign it

1070
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,800
so

1071
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,040
that's pretty much my extent

1072
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,400
what i know is based on like what i've

1073
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,599
experienced

1074
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,839
what i meditated upon and what was

1075
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,200
informed to me

1076
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:56,480
but the

1077
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,440
uh

1078
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,000
the person who taught me meditation i

1079
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,599
shared with other people through direct

1080
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:03,680
messaging over tweet twitter

1081
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,040
um right now speaking about um how to

1082
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,800
find these things i've put in the

1083
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,720
private chat for you andy

1084
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,280
uh the link to the original

1085
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,800
exo metaverse

1086
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,599
uh interview thank you which talks a lot

1087
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:19,599
about physics but i say you know the

1088
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,960
physics is wrong if you're a physicist

1089
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,040
i admit i'm not a physicist so i got it

1090
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,040
all wrong i was just trying to explain

1091
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,119
it for myself as a non-physicist what

1092
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,640
might be going on

1093
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,440
and also the dna service called nebula i

1094
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,880
put a link to that

1095
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:36,880
and i'll put a link to the woman who

1096
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,280
taught me uh meditation she has a

1097
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,119
youtube channel i'll put all those in

1098
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,599
the description of the the chats as well

1099
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,599
and the releases if you're on youtube

1100
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,760
spotify apple it'll be on there for you

1101
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,240
folks i appreciate that john thank you

1102
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,000
last couple of questions john and then i

1103
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,680
can give you back your day you've been

1104
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,920
very generous with your time uh green

1105
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,400
turtle asked the orange orbs that you've

1106
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,640
seen were picked up by infrared sensors

1107
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,200
on a satellite did you see an infrared

1108
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,000
picture or some type of color spectrum

1109
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,160
graph printout what was the physical

1110
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,400
media used to show the orbs

1111
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,710
it was an image

1112
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:17,200
now having said that prior

1113
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,160
to

1114
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,280
having

1115
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,079
more sophisticated ir sensors

1116
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,839
flown by the nro

1117
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,640
uh we used to have sensors writing as

1118
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:28,880
payloads on other satellites i can say

1119
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,119
that much can't go any further than that

1120
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,920
we tested my lab tested some of those

1121
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,920
sensors

1122
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,000
when

1123
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,480
i believe it's the challenger explosion

1124
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,760
you're called the challenger space

1125
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,000
space uh

1126
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,550
the spaceship oh yeah the space shuttle

1127
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,599
was destroyed as it was ascending

1128
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,960
uh the data we got that was basically

1129
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,640
a plot

1130
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:03,680
it was measured in if i recall

1131
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,119
kilowatts per steradian

1132
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:09,520
meter square that's a lot of words but

1133
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:12,640
basically it's a plot y plot

1134
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,839
x axis y axis and some intensity level

1135
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,520
based on time

1136
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,599
and so we're able to see the explosion

1137
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,920
as like intensity levels

1138
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,400
uh that was a capability that we had

1139
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,240
long time ago writing these other

1140
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:28,480
payloads

1141
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,160
but what i saw was an image

1142
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,760
and that's all i can say about that

1143
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,470
last question then for you um before we

1144
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,520
wrap up is from corey and corey says to

1145
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,280
preface the question on the project

1146
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,839
unity podcast you provided a walkthrough

1147
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,640
of the us intelligence agency ecosystem

1148
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,839
including their high level

1149
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,160
responsibilities and recommendations we

1150
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:55,920
are to request information about various

1151
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,960
types of ufo uap subjects via foia

1152
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,280
recently on theories of everything linda

1153
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,880
molten howe talked about how the us

1154
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,880
government previously called these

1155
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,680
unidentified things uavs unidentified

1156
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:10,000
aerial vehicles or unidentified idle

1157
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,119
crafts

1158
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,359
does john have any recommendations on

1159
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,680
specific subjects and or terms or

1160
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,520
phrases that curious minds about the

1161
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,160
subject could submit for your request to

1162
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:22,720
specific agencies with well first of all

1163
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,680
uavs is a very old uh very old term

1164
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,160
it's unmanned aerial vehicle

1165
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,480
and it had nothing to do with uaps at

1166
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,599
the time

1167
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,200
because that was when we were talking

1168
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,240
talk still talking about ufos as ufos

1169
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,640
and uavs were

1170
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,040
the beginnings of uh

1171
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,839
having a vehicle that could be flown

1172
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:48,000
remotely

1173
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,599
after the during the cold war they were

1174
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,920
called rpv's

1175
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,839
um

1176
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,240
i think it it was remotely piloted

1177
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,400
vehicle rpvs

1178
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,119
and uavs was an extension of that in

1179
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,200
more modern times basically just

1180
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,839
something that flies that you control

1181
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,359
remotely

1182
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,829
what's

1183
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,349
available

1184
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,760
is artificial intelligence

1185
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:19,359
into that vehicle

1186
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,240
where

1187
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,240
you program it to respond because

1188
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,400
there's so many sensors on that vehicle

1189
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,200
you can it's like driving a car without

1190
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,760
a driver you're collecting information

1191
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,599
about where the other cars are and where

1192
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,440
the road is and where the lines on the

1193
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,839
road road might be so that you can keep

1194
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:38,800
the car on the road as a driverless car

1195
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,230
what we call drones uh some of the some

1196
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,319
of them have that capability drone to me

1197
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:50,960
is just a generic term it's very

1198
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,440
generic but the pentagon has used

1199
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,920
various acronyms and the pentagon loves

1200
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,280
acronyms

1201
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,920
uh alphabet soup of stuff you pick a box

1202
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,359
of letters and throw it up in the air

1203
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,520
and look at the floor and you'll get

1204
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,359
some defense department acronym landing

1205
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,800
on the floor i'm sure

1206
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:09,200
aoi msg yeah

1207
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:10,560
yeah

1208
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,359
so

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00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,119
um

1210
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,839
there needs to be a glossary i agree

1211
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,760
if that's the intent of the question

1212
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,920
uh there needs to be a glossary i'm not

1213
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,839
the one to write it

1214
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,000
i would be the last person that uh

1215
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,760
probably qualified to write it because

1216
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,680
what i know is very narrow to the

1217
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,400
disciplines i studied in the ic

1218
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,240
but i agree there needs to be a glossary

1219
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,160
somewhere of what these terms mean and

1220
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,680
what they relate to and the history of

1221
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,960
those terms

1222
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,640
right now let's just tell people go to

1223
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,880
wikipedia

1224
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,720
are there any terms if someone was

1225
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:43,920
asking you then you know i'm going to

1226
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:46,480
submit a for you about ufos your aps

1227
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,920
what are some of the basics they should

1228
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,480
include oh okay in that sense uh don't

1229
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:53,440
say satellite imagery say

1230
00:47:07,109 --> 00:46:54,319
n

1231
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,119
uh

1232
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:08,400
ask for

1233
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,750
an imagery

1234
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,000
analysis report i'm trying to think of

1235
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:18,560
iir see i i myself have difficulty with

1236
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,589
but an iir is uh the image report from

1237
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:26,800
nga

1238
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,079
uh for dia everybody knows durds

1239
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,640
because uh that was the unclassified

1240
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,400
white paper submitted

1241
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,839
but

1242
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,359
that's not that's not intelligence

1243
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:39,200
that's just the white paper

1244
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,400
uh and the dia it's uh defense

1245
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,599
intelligence reporter dir

1246
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,000
they seldom get released

1247
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,640
seldom uh in the cia

1248
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,240
if you want the highest level which you

1249
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:54,319
will never see it's nie national

1250
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,559
intelligence estimate

1251
00:48:00,270 --> 00:47:58,960
uh and beneath that there was something

1252
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,280
called the wire

1253
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,920
w-i-r-e

1254
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,319
that's the world wide intelligence

1255
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,000
report i don't know where the e came

1256
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,640
from i think it's re for report

1257
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,520
uh those aren't released at all

1258
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,040
in my day we had something called the

1259
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,319
swr the scientific and weapons review

1260
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,280
and the swr uh contained a weapons

1261
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:22,000
intelligence scientific intelligence

1262
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,800
uh

1263
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,880
and they don't get released either um so

1264
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,720
what i'm telling you is the completely

1265
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,240
useless information i'm telling you what

1266
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,920
they are and i'm telling you that you

1267
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,280
will never see them

1268
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,400
okay

1269
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:34,160
having said that if u.s citizen you're

1270
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:35,359
over 18

1271
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,880
and you think your skills can be used by

1272
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,760
cia by golly just apply for a job

1273
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,240
there are always job openings there

1274
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,040
150 000 applicants they accept maybe a

1275
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,599
fraction of that maybe less than 150 out

1276
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,920
of 150 000 you might be one of the lucky

1277
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,200
150

1278
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,520
but uh

1279
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,920
i know that's not an answer but no some

1280
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,280
of those statements like you said don't

1281
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,680
say satellite imagery say ntm things

1282
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,960
like that hopefully it'll be useful to

1283
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,800
some people starting out with the foyer

1284
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,800
process and i wish them all the best and

1285
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:06,319
that and definitely let us know how you

1286
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,280
get on

1287
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:08,720
john

1288
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,240
iir imagery intelligence report iir nga

1289
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,200
okay

1290
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,760
thank you john listen to finish off john

1291
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,040
what does 2022 look like for you and the

1292
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,760
subject for the rest of the year

1293
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,640
uh well 2022 um

1294
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,440
i'm completing uh this round of

1295
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,119
interviews i'm giving everyone a second

1296
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,520
chance uh right now

1297
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,920
i can't accept any new interviews i need

1298
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,760
to get back to my life this isn't my

1299
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,760
life and i wasn't intending to be on

1300
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,359
these interviews but i thought it was

1301
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,440
important to share what i know

1302
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,760
and so that's my contribution

1303
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,079
to share what i know

1304
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,520
i don't think there will be any

1305
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,359
meaningful discussion until we start

1306
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,079
seeing the very first 180 day report to

1307
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:53,920
see if that's released in public and

1308
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,040
then we can have a discussion about that

1309
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,040
i found it amusing that lou said hey you

1310
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:01,200
know pick a hobby and wait a week five

1311
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,400
years

1312
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,440
yeah and so i'm not gonna say that but i

1313
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,119
really don't have any more than what you

1314
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,960
guys have already heard

1315
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,480
my experience have been limited i was

1316
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,880
never read into any nda related to

1317
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,400
anything about the phenomenon it just

1318
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,319
happened as my day job i got information

1319
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,760
about the phenomenon

1320
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,079
and i was able to release what i know

1321
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,760
uh i would say this do i know a little

1322
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,400
bit more just a tiny bit

1323
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,200
just a tiny bit but that bit will never

1324
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,880
ever get released

1325
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,880
and i'm hoping somebody else will talk

1326
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,240
about it

1327
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,839
uh maybe somebody else will talk about

1328
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,319
it but that's all basically i'm it uh

1329
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,800
that's it and for the rest of this time

1330
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,440
i do have a physical appearance in

1331
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,680
person appearance with the phoenix

1332
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,079
arizona mufon chapter so i'll be

1333
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,680
appearing with them

1334
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:49,680
later in february

1335
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,720
of course this sunday january 30th i'm

1336
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,280
on coast to coast am with george knapp

1337
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,160
uh cia officer uh former cio sir jim

1338
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,960
semivan will have the first two hours

1339
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,599
and i'll have the last two hours

1340
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,760
i might do something with quantum witch

1341
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,359
priscilla stone

1342
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,200
i think i'm scheduled with her but i

1343
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,359
know i have had so many requests and i

1344
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,280
really tell people i i don't have

1345
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:15,839
anything more to add

1346
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,640
and i do need to work on uh some

1347
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,839
briefings for the various cold war

1348
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,160
museums that i've signed up with to help

1349
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:26,240
them understand what cia did during the

1350
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:27,359
cold war

1351
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,640
and they're not necessarily related to

1352
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,480
uaps or anything like that it was my day

1353
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:32,640
job that i'm talking about

1354
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,559
and i'll do that but other than that um

1355
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,800
well listen john let me say let me say

1356
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,400
firstly priscilla's wonderful quantum

1357
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:42,000
which cafe is one of the podcasts if

1358
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,599
people check out the anomalous podcast

1359
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,440
network that's something i started

1360
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,280
recently and priscilla's podcast is on

1361
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,880
there and you'll get a wonderful

1362
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,040
conversation from her she's she's lovely

1363
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,119
um but also listen you speak well on the

1364
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,880
subject you've got a wonderful charisma

1365
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,040
about you um your your knowledge and

1366
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,280
background is one thing but also

1367
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,680
i personally and i know many listeners

1368
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,040
have enjoyed hearing you share your

1369
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,520
beliefs and speculations as well so and

1370
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,960
thank you very much and listen when

1371
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,800
those reports do come out you are

1372
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,240
definitely someone i'd love to hear from

1373
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,760
again down the line when you've got

1374
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,280
something to add

1375
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,280
sure absolutely thank you

1376
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,359
that is all for this week's show thank

1377
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,359
you very much for listening please

1378
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,520
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1379
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,000
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00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,240
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00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,359
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1389
00:52:50,590 --> 00:52:47,520
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1390
00:53:10,950 --> 00:52:50,600
up you never know what you might see

1391
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:17,650
is

1392
00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:26,630
[Music]

1393
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:28,069
i can't imagine how it could have been

1394
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:29,760
any better i got to the top of the

1395
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:53,190
they thought this was noise they thought

1396
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:05,950
[Music]

1397
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:10,400
if you really want to know who i think

1398
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:25,829
[Music]

1399
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:50,230
what's that

1400
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,160
[Music]

1401
00:55:04,870 --> 00:54:58,079
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:18,710
[Music]

1403
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:20,670
it's